Notes from 9/24/15 - Sorry about that!

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Notes from 9/24/15 - Sorry about that!

Postby Caelesti » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:05 pm

Carric and Talon teleported to Talon's grandmother's cave to request her help to save the town from the impending giant and dragon attack. Grandmother agreed to go and talk to the blue dragon.

Up in the castle, the rest of the part headed back down to the blue dragon's room.
Yoshi and Mongo flew into the room and toward the giants.
A giant cast Confusion on Yoshi and Mongo, affecting neither.
Caelesti advanced into the room.
A giant hurled a rock into her

Yoshi used magic to close on a giant and struck it several times.
Mongo closed on the same giant, getting struck on route, and struck it.
Torin flew into the room to support the fighters.
The wounded giant struck Mongo a couple times.
Caelesti cast Confusion on the two giants, confusing one of them.
The confused giant struck his ally twice.

Yoshi struck the giant three more times.
Mongo struck down the spell-casting giant.
Torin closed on Mongo and cast Heal on him.

Yoshi and Mongo moved to flank the confused giant.
The giant tried to flee and was struck by the two as he turned.

Yoshi advanced on the confused giant and attacked it.
Mongo charged the giant, striking it.
Torin cast Detect Evil.
The confused giant struck Mongo.

Mongo struck the giant three times.
Yoshi struck the giant three times.
Caelesti moved to look at the eggs.
The giant struck Yoshi.

Mongo struck down the last giant.
Torin mentioned that he detected evil on the giant cleric.
Yoshi finished off the unconscious giant.

Caelesti put two eggs into the large compartment of her Handy Haversack. The last two eggs were held.

Before teleporting back to Grandmother, Torin cast Augury to determine if that action would result in weal or woe to the party. The result was weal, so Torin cast the Teleport. The group arrived in time to hitch a ride with Carric. Carric then teleported all but Talon to the base of the bean stalk.

Grandmother shifted into her huge silver dragon form to confront the blue dragon. The party moved to engage giants slowly levitating down to the ground.

As the party waited, the two dragons flew down to the party. Grandmother (Tanith) introduced her new friend Maranith. Tanith presented the story of the party's confrontation with Maranith and the cloud castle. After the explanation that the eggs were the blue dragon's own blue dragon eggs, the party agreed to return them, after first defending the town from the approaching giants.

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Postby Brianna Sollandry » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:07 pm

Carric rolls d100: (d100) : [47] = 47
Talon: Carric and Talon entreat Grandma Dragon to come and help us defend the villagers
Talon: Grandma agrees to come and "talk" to the blue dragon if we handle the Giants
Yoshi rolls Initiative: (d20+4+2) : [18 + 4 + 2] = 24
Caelesti rolls Initiative: (d20+5) : [9 + 5] = 14
Torin rolls init: (d20) : [18] = 18
Mongo rolls Initiative: (d20+5) : [18 + 5] = 23
Dangerous DM rolls d20+1: (d20+1) : [13 + 1] = 14
Dangerous DM rolls d20+1: (d20+1) : [14 + 1] = 15
Dangerous DM rolls d20+7: (d20+7) : [17 + 7] = 24
Caelesti rolls Skill (Spellcraft): (d20+6) : [7 + 6] = 13
Mongo rolls Will: (d20+11) : [16 + 11] = 27
Dangerous DM rolls d20+15: (d20+15) : [19 + 15] = 34
Dangerous DM rolls 2d8+13: (2d8+13) : [6 + 1 + 13] = 20
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 1/2/3 Rapidstrike: (d20+11+2+2) : [15 + 11 + 2 + 2] = 30
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 1/2/3 Rapidstrike: (d20+11+2+2) : [11 + 11 + 2 + 2] = 26
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 1/2/3 Rapidstrike: (d20+11+2+2) : [1 + 11 + 2 + 2] = 16
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 4: (d20+6+2) : [13 + 6 + 2] = 21
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 5 Rapidstrike: (d20+1+2+2) : [16 + 1 + 2 + 2] = 21
Dangerous DM rolls d20+18: (d20+18) : [10 + 18] = 28
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [8 + 3 + 2] = 13
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [9 + 2 + 2] = 13
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [4 + 9 + 2] = 15
Dangerous DM rolls d20+29: (d20+29) : [4 + 29] = 33
Dangerous DM rolls 4d6+15: (4d6+15) : [4 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 15] = 24
Mongo rolls long sword 1st: (d20+27) : [19 + 27] = 46
Mongo rolls long sword 1st: (d20+27) : [10 + 27] = 37
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [5 + 14 + 5] = 24
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [8 + 14 + 1] = 23
Dangerous DM rolls d20+29: (d20+29) : [15 + 29] = 44
Dangerous DM rolls 4d6+15: (4d6+15) : [2 + 4 + 6 + 2 + 15] = 29
Dangerous DM rolls d20+24: (d20+24) : [20 + 24] = 44
Dangerous DM rolls d20+24: (d20+24) : [11 + 24] = 35
Dangerous DM rolls 4d6+15: (4d6+15) : [6 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 15] = 27
Dangerous DM rolls 4d6+15: (4d6+15) : [3 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 15] = 25
Dangerous DM rolls d20+19: (d20+19) : [7 + 19] = 26
Dangerous DM rolls d20+14: (d20+14) : [10 + 14] = 24
Dangerous DM rolls d20+10: (d20+10) : [3 + 10] = 13
Dangerous DM rolls d20+18: (d20+18) : [15 + 18] = 33
Dangerous DM rolls d20+12: (d20+12) : [7 + 12] = 19
Dangerous DM rolls d100: (d100) : [75] = 75
Caelesti rolls d100: (d100) : [97] = 97
Dangerous DM rolls d20+28: (d20+28) : [1 + 28] = 29
Dangerous DM rolls d20+23: (d20+23) : [9 + 23] = 32
Dangerous DM rolls d20+18: (d20+18) : [15 + 18] = 33
Dangerous DM rolls d20+13: (d20+13) : [11 + 13] = 24
Dangerous DM rolls 4d6+15: (4d6+15) : [2 + 2 + 1 + 4 + 15] = 24
Dangerous DM rolls 4d6+15: (4d6+15) : [1 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 15] = 28
Yoshi rolls Atk:Unarmed Flurry 1/2/3 Rapidstrike: (d20+11+2+1+2) : [8 + 11 + 2 + 1 + 2] = 24
Yoshi rolls Atk:Unarmed Flurry 1/2/3 Rapidstrike: (d20+11+2+1+2) : [5 + 11 + 2 + 1 + 2] = 21
Yoshi rolls Atk:Unarmed Flurry 1/2/3 Rapidstrike: (d20+11+2+1+2) : [20 + 11 + 2 + 1 + 2] = 36
Yoshi rolls Atk:Unarmed Flurry 1/2/3 Rapidstrike: (d20+11+2+1+2) : [15 + 11 + 2 + 1 + 2] = 31
Yoshi rolls Atk:Unarmed Flurry 4 Rapidstrike: (d20+6+2+1+2) : [14 + 6 + 2 + 1 + 2] = 25
Yoshi rolls Atk:Unarmed Flurry 5 Rapidstrike: (d20+1+2+1+2) : [6 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2] = 12
Dangerous DM rolls d20+18: (d20+18) : [9 + 18] = 27
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [6 + 9 + 2] = 17
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [7 + 8 + 2] = 17
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [3 + 10 + 2] = 15
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [2 + 4 + 2] = 8
Mongo rolls long sword 1st: (d20+27) : [17 + 27] = 44
Mongo rolls long sword 1st: (d20+27) : [11 + 27] = 38
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [4 + 14 + 2] = 20
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [8 + 14 + 4] = 26
Mongo rolls longsword 2nd: (d20+22) : [15 + 22] = 37
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [4 + 14 + 2] = 20
Mongo rolls longsword 3rd: (d20+17) : [11 + 17] = 28
Caelesti rolls d100: (d100) : [43] = 43
Caelesti rolls d100: (d100) : [59] = 59
Yoshi rolls Atk:Unarmed Flurry 1/2/3: (d20+11+2+1) : [16 + 11 + 2 + 1] = 30
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [10 + 5 + 2] = 17
Mongo rolls long sword 1st: (d20+27) : [6 + 27] = 33
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [7 + 14 + 4] = 25
Yoshi rolls Atk:Unarmed Flurry 1/2/3: (d20+11+2+1) : [3 + 11 + 2 + 1] = 17
Mongo rolls long sword 1st: (d20+27) : [13 + 27] = 40
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [4 + 14 + 3] = 21
Dangerous DM rolls d20+28: (d20+28) : [4 + 28] = 32
Dangerous DM rolls d20+23: (d20+23) : [16 + 23] = 39
Dangerous DM rolls 4d6+15: (4d6+15) : [3 + 5 + 4 + 6 + 15] = 33
Dangerous DM rolls d20+18: (d20+18) : [12 + 18] = 30
Dangerous DM rolls d20+13: (d20+13) : [6 + 13] = 19
Mongo rolls long sword 1st: (d20+27) : [6 + 27] = 33
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [6 + 14 + 5] = 25
Mongo rolls longsword 2nd: (d20+22) : [6 + 22] = 28
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [2 + 14 + 6] = 22
Mongo rolls longsword 3rd: (d20+17) : [11 + 17] = 28
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [4 + 14 + 3] = 21
Dangerous DM rolls 4d6+15: (4d6+15) : [2 + 4 + 3 + 6 + 15] = 30
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 1/2/3 Rapidstrike: (d20+11+2+2) : [15 + 11 + 2 + 2] = 30
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 1/2/3 Rapidstrike: (d20+11+2+2) : [3 + 11 + 2 + 2] = 18
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 1/2/3 Rapidstrike: (d20+11+2+2) : [13 + 11 + 2 + 2] = 28
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 4 Rapidstrike: (d20+6+2+2) : [14 + 6 + 2 + 2] = 24
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 5 Rapidstrike: (d20+1+2+2) : [2 + 1 + 2 + 2] = 7
Yoshi rolls Atk:Kama/Siagham/Shuriken Flurry 5 Rapidstrike: (d20+1+2+2) : [15 + 1 + 2 + 2] = 20
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [6 + 10 + 2] = 18
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [4 + 8 + 2] = 14
Yoshi rolls Dmg:Unarmed: (2d10+2) : [6 + 3 + 2] = 11
Dangerous DM rolls d20+28: (d20+28) : [6 + 28] = 34
Dangerous DM rolls 4d6+15: (4d6+15) : [1 + 6 + 1 + 4 + 15] = 27
Dangerous DM rolls d20+23: (d20+23) : [3 + 23] = 26
Dangerous DM rolls d20+18: (d20+18) : [8 + 18] = 26
Dangerous DM rolls d20+13: (d20+13) : [10 + 13] = 23
Mongo rolls long sword 1st: (d20+27) : [12 + 27] = 39
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [4 + 14 + 6] = 24
Mongo rolls longsword 2nd: (d20+22) : [10 + 22] = 32
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [8 + 14 + 2] = 24
Mongo rolls longsword 3rd: (d20+17) : [20 + 17] = 37
Mongo rolls longsword 3rd: (d20+17) : [11 + 17] = 28
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [1 + 14 + 5] = 20
Mongo rolls longsword dmg: (d8+14+d6) : [7 + 14 + 3] = 24
Caelesti rolls Skill (Know - Local/Arcane): (d20+5) : [4 + 5] = 9
You Privately Roll d100: (d100) : [1] = 1

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Twist of Fate!

Postby Veracity » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:57 am

What a strange twist of fate!

I thought we determined there were Silver Dragon eggs in the Giants' castle? Are they stashed elsewhere?

It's sweet that the two dragons are friends now. I wonder if Talon will be welcome as returner of eggs for the Blue Dragon? Will Talon's grandmother vouche for her so the eggs can be safely returned?

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Innocent Giants?

Postby Veracity » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:58 am

We don't believe the Cloud Giants are innocent, do we?

Any ideas on that?

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Postby Hazen » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:12 am

I have little doubt that we've been played. By whom, and for what purpose, I don't know. It strains all creditability that we hear about stolen silver dragon eggs, find evidence that cloud giants took them, find a cloud giant cloud castle tethered nearby, and then find a blue dragon with eggs in residence(!!!).

Either the cloud giants and/or blue dragon are guilty - and we just haven't found the right eggs (or have we???), or persons unknown knew full well of the cloud giants transporting a blue dragon with eggs (a bizarre arrangement if you ask me), and set up the theft (or apparent theft) to make it look like they are guilty.

To what aim? Throw us off the track of the actual (or nonexistent) thief? Put us and/or the cloud giants and blue dragon into conflict and peril? Bring destruction down upon the village? Something else, or a combination of these?

We need to find out:

1) Were there any silver dragon eggs to be stolen in the first place? (And how many?)!
2) If so, are they somewhere else in the castle or place known to the castle's occupants?
3) If the cloud giants and blue dragon are innocent (of this crime), do they have any enemies that might want to frame them?
4) Is the fact the castle is tethered here significant? Who sold the beans to Jack? What is their motive(s)?
5) If all this is a diversion, who else would steal the eggs?
6) If we have no clue as to who, perhaps we can understand why. Monetary value?
7) If so, where is a (black) market for dragon eggs? If we can't follow the thief, maybe we should follow the money?

Before all that it looks like we'll have to undo the damage we've done. Instead of raising the two giants, we might just offer weregild for them - say 5000 gp each - then the boss cloud giant can decide to get them raised or keep the money himself.

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Wiley DM or Wiley Giants?

Postby Veracity » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:18 pm

I have little doubt that we've been played. By whom, and for what purpose, I don't know. It strains all creditability that we hear about stolen silver dragon eggs, find evidence that cloud giants took them, find a cloud giant cloud castle tethered nearby, and then find a blue dragon with eggs in residence(!!!).

We have come up against evil Giants before and they tended to kill first and answer questions not at all. So I don't consider it odd that the (emailed) idea/implication that we should have knocked on their door and discussed missing dragon eggs with them did not occur to us.

As for talking, Talon did do much talking with the Blue Dragon, against the better judgement of her fellow party members. But when a woe was determined for Talon entering the Blue Dragon's room, as invited, Talon stayed away.

So, are we being played by wiley NPCs or by the wiley DM? :o

Who really set us up? :shock:

Grandma will know if the eggs Talon is guarding are silver dragon or blue dragon. So we can get that sorted quickly.

I'm not keen on talking with the Giants or paying them or ressurecting their priest until we know they are not the thieves.

Assuming the Blue Dragon was indeed guarding it's own blue dragon eggs, I see no reason to conclude from that the Giants are innocent of stealing eggs from other dragons.

It has already been established that these Cloud Giants "take on passengers." There may be many creatues inhabitting rooms in the Cloud Castle - good, evil, neutral - who pay to ride along or who do services in exchange for a lift. That doesn't mean these creatures are privvy to all that the Cloud Giants do.

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Paying evil giants

Postby Veracity » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:36 pm

Instead of raising the two giants, we might just offer weregild for them - say 5000 gp each - then the boss cloud giant can decide to get them raised or keep the money himself.

Good idea! Because if we pay for rez and then find the Giants are guilty... and then end up fighting and killing them - we won't get that money back. But if we just give the Chief money, then, after we have picked off all the Giants, a few at a time, and they are finally all dead - we will get our own money back PLUS get to loot the place. :D

Good idea!

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Re: Wiley DM or Wiley Giants?

Postby Brianna Sollandry » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:22 am

Veracity wrote:We have come up against evil Giants before and they tended to kill first and answer questions not at all. So I don't consider it odd that the (emailed) idea/implication that we should have knocked on their door and discussed missing dragon eggs with them did not occur to us.

It's true. When you did GDQ1-7, you went against evil giants. The giants were warring against the human lands, were of inherently "evil" races, and when they encountered you, you were engaged in "home invasion". Unsurprisingly, they were not interested in talking.

However, I invite you to look at Talon's background history, as supplied by you. It is chock-full of bardic embellishment (a "torrential downpour" of giant tears. Riiiiight. :)), but consider the following:

Lady Clawfoot took a liking to Talon and they formed a special bond. After a week, Thorne climbed back down the mountain, but Talon stayed and spent a year in the company of her Silver Dragon kin along with the neighboring Cloud and Storm Giants. Talon learned many Dragon and Giant songs during that year and became literate in Draconic and Giant.

Now, I remembered your history when I planned this Talon-centric adventure. Dragons and Giants! What could be better? (I admit that I didn't re-read it, which is why we have Tanith the silver dragon, rather than "Lady Clawfoot".)

But, the point is, Talon is well aware that Cloud Giants are not "inherently evil".

(We had a small discussion about "nature vs. nurture" in D&D, regarding inherently evil creatures, at the last session. It was in the context of "what if an evil dragon hatches a good dragon's egg and raises the wyrmling". By D&D rules, a good dragon will be good, even if raised by an evil dragon - and vice versa. This came up because we were wondering if detect evil would detect evil dragon eggs. That is a different question. Does "life begin at fertilization" or at "hatching"? I ruled that an egg was not yet "good" or "evil", even if the wyrmling that would ultimately hatch from it was "inherently good" or "evil". It's certainly a matter of debate, uncovered by the rules, but I'm comfortable with my ruling.)

The e-mail note that you cited also said the following:

It reminded me of your first conversation with Tanith. She said that she'd asked Siobhan and Talon to come - both of whom are relatives - because bards are good at getting things done by talking and tend to be able to talk themselves out of trouble.

Now, obviously, that was before you discovered evidence of giants - but in Tanith's mind, you were fully capable of "handling" the investigation. Was that the "implication that we should have knocked on their door and discussed missing dragon eggs with them"? I don't think so - but given Talon's history with Cloud Giants, "diplomacy" would not have been out of character.

However, you brought your whole party, and "home invasion" became the plan.

So, are we being played by wiley NPCs or by the wiley DM? :o

Can your character tell the difference?

I'm not keen on talking with the Giants or paying them or ressurecting their priest until we know they are not the thieves.

I'm looking forward to seeing your further investigations. Keep in mind that this is not a "module"; there is no "one true way" of "solving" the problem.

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Giants

Postby Veracity » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:48 pm

Ahhh, you are right, Talon has entertained Storm and Cloud Giants.

Talon likes us all to go up to the door in matching hats and offer our services as entertainers and then sneak around on the sly.

The party rejected that idea.

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Re: Wiley DM or Wiley Giants?

Postby Hazen » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:51 pm

Brianna Sollandry wrote:
Lady Clawfoot took a liking to Talon and they formed a special bond. After a week, Thorne climbed back down the mountain, but Talon stayed and spent a year in the company of her Silver Dragon kin along with the neighboring Cloud and Storm Giants. Talon learned many Dragon and Giant songs during that year and became literate in Draconic and Giant.

Now, I remembered your history when I planned this Talon-centric adventure. Dragons and Giants! What could be better? (I admit that I didn't re-read it, which is why we have Tanith the silver dragon, rather than "Lady Clawfoot".)

Well, Clawfoot is clearly a family name or title :-)

Wow, this stuff would have been super useful in dealing with the cloud giants! What happened to the idea of the DM leading us by the nose? :P

Oh no! There's only one logical explanation, the real Talon has been kidnapped and replaced by someone who has never seen a cloud giant before! In fact this imposter has likely stolen the eggs! How could we be so blind! At least now we "have a clue".

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Re: Wiley DM or Wiley Giants?

Postby Brianna Sollandry » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:05 pm

Hazen wrote:Wow, this stuff would have been super useful in dealing with the cloud giants! What happened to the idea of the DM leading us by the nose? :P

I think "leading you by the nose" would be "reminding players of things that the characters have learned from the DM." I think "reminding players of things that they invented about their own characters and sent to the DM" is too much to expect. :P

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Re: Wiley DM or Wiley Giants?

Postby Hazen » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:48 pm

Brianna Sollandry wrote:
Hazen wrote:Wow, this stuff would have been super useful in dealing with the cloud giants! What happened to the idea of the DM leading us by the nose? :P

I think "leading you by the nose" would be "reminding players of things that the characters have learned from the DM." I think "reminding players of things that they invented about their own characters and sent to the DM" is too much to expect. :P

Let me just note that the time of last modification of the webpage with Talon's background info:
Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:14:12 PM

You can't expect us to have any neurons left from way back then! :P

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Postby Seston Tempiri » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:41 pm

Or we could have just asked for an audience and talked them. At some point we're bound to encounter someone in this world capable of a straight answer.

Maybe.

You know.

The percentages.


Either way, we're at trust deficit now with these giants. We'll likely have to reincarnate their evil priest to do what we should have done in the first place: talk to them about the investigation.

I think the questions we need answered are:

1) Are their rumors within the cloud giant community about silver dragon eggs?

2) What possible value would silver dragons have to cloud giants and does that present any options for investigations?

3) If all else fails, is there a particularly aggressive and arrogant band of evil cloud giants? Because it would take skill to pull off this heist.


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